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Village Buzz - September 15th...

By Al Campbell
Monday, Sep 15 2008, 09:02 AM

Special School Board Meeting...

Tom Kertscher's article in the Journal Sentinel indicates that the school board will convene at 5:30PM today to consider referendum questions.

He reports that the school board has voted to end the full day kindergarten effort for the 2009-2010 school year because of the space limitations that necessitated a lottery approach.  Michael Schultz, Vice President of the board was quoted as saying that he didn't make this proposal to persuade voters to approve a building referendum but saw that a connection might be made by voters.  His attributed quote in this article was, "They are not unrelated".

I am not aware of who voted in favor or if there were votes in opposition but I hope commenters may flesh that out for us.

Without taking a position on the matters that we may be voting for or against (since I don't yet know my position having not seen the actual items) there is, I think, a very real potential for a public relations backlash coming as the result of the recent vote against.  This approach, as described by Kertscher, is a typical reaction as we've seen over and over again when a school board loses a referendum request.  I have said before that I think a follow-up question without any changes made will be met with voter angst without regard to the needs.

It appears that there may, in fact, be some changes to the question or questions.  First, apparently the $16.5MM request will be bumped to $22.5MM so that cost increases in the original plan and safety and technology upgrades to other buildings can be accommodated.

A second question is apparently going to be part of the debate at today's meeting (which I'll not be able to attend).  The school district apparently will seek approval of the second question that would permit the district to exceed mandated revenue limits by some $750,000 annually.  Whether or not there is a limit to the number of years or if this is intended to be open-ended is not clear.  If open-ended, I suspect the voters will nix this request.

Does this $750,000 represent the battle between district administration and the school board?  There has been quite a bit of 'back and forth' on a somewhat similar amount that seems to be a constant in spite of board direction.

Mid-Moraine Municipal Court...

Judge John Grundahl appears to once again find himself embroiled in some controversy.  If you recall, he was involved in an issue brought to the fore by various police chiefs in his jurisdiction over the length of time he required to process warrants with some of those having taken three to four months.  There was also a question about his holding juvenile convictions open for months.

In spite of that adverse publicity, Judge Grundahl was re-elected in the following election defeating Janet Heins.

The latest issue involves municipalities having approved a $50 fee for each time a warrant is issued with $25 going to the court (as is now the case) and the additional $25 going to the issuing municipality.  The person named in the warrant would be obligated to pay this fee.  Germantown is among the 14 municipalities that are perturbed by his refusal to collect the additional $25 fee.  Judge Grundahl has been quoted as saying, "My concern was and is that this is an attempt to expand the authority of the Municipal Court without statutory support."

Is this simply a continuation of the most recent brouhaha?  Is the judge simply being obstinate to demonstrate that he is the judge?  Attorneys for the communities involved indicate that this practice is in place in other areas of Wisconsin.

This will probably end up being taken to the Circuit Court for a ruling.  That seems a real waste of time for a court system that has not a lot of extra time available.  Maybe the Attorney General can clear this matter up quickly.

Is it simply happenstance that we find Judge Grundahl involved in yet another dispute with the communities that comprise this court's jurisdictional district or does he lay in wait for such an issue to surface so that he can be disruptive?

Comments

taxedtothemax   

Wow. I'd say the school board is just trying to bully its way into getting people to vote for this referendum (or should I say referendums)

How transparent can you get? No one votes to remove one program (out of the many programs in the school system) for the following school year when you are only a few weeks in the the current school year. This is just a blatant attempt to force the referendum issue through - and I think it will backfire - since it's going to fire up the silent majority. People will recognize what this is.

Frankly - I'm ready to do what I did back in Brookfield about 15 years ago and that's to organize a group to oppose the referendum.

September 15, 2008 11:29 AM

numo   

I have gone to most of the recent school board meetings and it seems that nobody wants to take responsibility for anything. We have a broken down obsolete budget now. What do you think a new school will bring? I say lets get the budget/spending straightened out then pursue a new building. NO MORE CUTS!!!!!!

September 15, 2008 11:39 AM

GTT   

I am with you on this taxed! I would happily support a group to oppose this referendum.

This school board need to straighten out their budget before they pursue anything else in this community!

September 15, 2008 11:49 AM

taxedtothemax   

I want to see who voted for this removal of the kindergarden program - you can bet that won't be on their web site anytime soon.

It will be the same people who vote for the referendum tonight.

This just makes more angry the longer I think about it.

September 15, 2008 11:51 AM

Dave Magill   

Max,

The actual vote on the removal of the all day kindergarten program probably won't be on the website until the Meeting minutes are approved, however, it passed 5-2, with myself, Erdmann, Schultz, Spies & Warnmimont voting for it, while Brust and Bowe voting against it.  Mr. Schultz clearly articulated his reasons for making such a motion, which was based on being uncomfortable offering an all day program to some but not all.

Regarding the possible referendum, let me start off by saying that at this time (1:05 p.m.) I have no idea which way I'll come down on this issue.  I need to see more details, and have several questions answered satisfactorily in order for me to support this particular referendum.  I can honestly say that I don't question the need for additional elementary space though.  

I would like to ask those of you who wish to opine on here what you'd propose as a solution to the elementary classroom space problem.

Moving on to budget issues, believe me, there can't be too many people more frustrated with this process than myself.  But I'd like to ask NUMO what you mean by an "obsolete" budget, and what "budget/spending" issues you'd like to see straightened out.  Most of my personal angst regarding the budget is that the District seems to have more of a spending problem, as in spending more than the budgeted amount.  While some can always cite reasons or "excuses" as to why such overspending occurred after the fact, I'd like to see a more accurate forecast of expenses upfront, and a commitment to stay within that.

I made the decision to come on here and correspond for several reasons.  There seems to be a lot of misinformation permeating the community, and if such interaction as this will help clear some of that up, or answer any questions, great.  Keep in mind that I am only speaking for myself, and not on behalf of the Board.

If you do plan on attending tonight's meeting, please note that it is scheduled to begin at 5:30 p.m.

September 15, 2008 1:26 PM

GTT   

Dave, you ask for suggestions from this community for a solution to the space problem but in another blog that you posted on you said "other options were considered but rejected" It seems to me that other options have been suggested but the board wants what they want!

You still haven't answered why the other options were rejected! IE. adding a second floor to KMS. In fact you still haven't addressed all the questions I posted to you, one of them being, Has the board looked into how much the road improvents will cost that will be needed for this school on Donges Bay and where will the money come from that will be needed? How much additional are those costs to the taxpayers? That cost isn't even taken into consideration in your "Budget" for this school! There seems to be a lot of unknown costs in this proposal, and the board has no clue where the money will come from to cover these costs!

September 15, 2008 2:09 PM

GTT   

Dave, you ask for suggestions from this community for a solution to the space problem but in another blog that you posted on you said "other options were considered but rejected" It seems to me that other options have been suggested but the board wants what they want!

You still haven't answered why the other options were rejected! IE. adding a second floor to KMS. In fact you still haven't addressed all the questions I posted to you, one of them being, Has the board looked into how much the road improvents will cost that will be needed for this school on Donges Bay and where will the money come from that will be needed? How much additional are those costs to the taxpayers? That cost isn't even taken into consideration in your "Budget" for this school! There seems to be a lot of unknown costs in this proposal, and the board has no clue where the money will come from to cover these costs!

September 15, 2008 2:17 PM

Dave Magill   

GTT

You seem to want to believe that the Board has some desire to impose their will on the community for a new building, whether its needed or not.  There were many options considered, and they were deemed to be either inefficient temporary solutions, or impractical.  

The KMS option was one that I was in favor of, but many feel that it would bring obstacles along with it.  Construction of such an addition would severely interfere with the delivery of education to the students who attend there now, because construction could not be started and completed within the confines of a summer.  Even with that addition, it would probably represent a temporary solution, rather than a permanent solution.  I'm still going to inquire about that option in my questions tonight though.

The road improvements, I think the cost of revamping that immediate intersection is included, but I'm not certain.  Once again, I'll verify tonight.

What unknown costs are you speaking of that the board "has no clue where the money will come from"?

I will be back with answers, as long as I have enough free time in my "real job" to respond.

September 15, 2008 2:51 PM

GTT   

Dave,

I asked about the road improvements at the open house in spring and was flipantly told with a wave of the hand "that the cost wasn't included but it isn't a worry, you pay for that in your taxes anyway" when in fact a project like that would have to be put into the Village budget. I believe that it would be more than the imediate intersection that would needed, that area of Donges is a mess and would need some serous rework in order to keep any kids that would be traveling in that area safe.

The way the board is handeling this situation does look like they are tring to impose there will on this community. It was voted down once less than 6 months ago and already you (the school board) are planning to push it again and for substanually more money! When is enough, enough?! I would like to buy a bigger house because space is tight in mine but unfortunatly I cannot afford to do that so I must make due with what I have now, maybe in the future things will change. It is that same with the School Board they need to take time to reevaluate their wants and needs and address this at a later time.

As for the unknown costs you yourself said "I don't know, as the Administration was supposed to be working on an estimate this week."

I cannot believe that any one would proceed with a plan of this magnatude without having throughly researching all costs involved!

September 15, 2008 4:08 PM

What is the problem   

Dear GTT -

You can talk to one person, or couple with regards to a group to vote against the referendum, and who is responsible for the roads on Donges Bay Road - Art Zabel and Liz.  They are already on a committee, who sent out flyers during the last school referendum to vote no.  Donges Bay Road was looked at many years ago to split the cost 80/20 (Germantown to get the 20), and Art Zabel was the fighter of that one.  As you can see by the roads, which way he went.

Mr. Magill - Thank you for your honesty!!!  I can finally vote, and I truly feel that those who are not following their budget, shouldn't get by with just excuses, have some consequences!!!  We are working with school people and students are continued to be taught that there are consequences for what they do - how do we hold the adults to that?  Well, lately we haven't held our youth to that either!!

Show me a good plan and I will vote yes - youth shouldn't have to continue to suffer for the mistakes of the adults.  Why not build a new high school, and offer a pool, and music auditorium?  If we are building new, than do that!!!

Thank you!!!

September 15, 2008 4:49 PM

taxedtothemax   

Dave,

Thanks for your comments and coming on the blog. But please don't try and sell me on that this was anything else but a move to fuel the fire for a referendum. You could have just as easily taken that vote in December with the same budgetary effect.

This just smacks of bullying. You say the board isn't trying to impose it's will on the community - moves like that are designed to do nothing else.

September 15, 2008 5:03 PM

Dave Magill   

If you truly want your Road Improvement cost question answered, I'll get you one.

The school referendum question is only being brought up again mainly for two reasons: 1. The April referendum did nothing to solve the space shortage, and 2. An overwhelming number of requests from people in the community to include it on the November ballot because they feel the historic turnout will provide a more definitive mandate, one way or another.

Those aren't my thoughts, I'm just the messenger here.

Lastly, if your Property Taxes have increased, it's not because of School taxes.  The actual amount of taxes you've paid to the school district this year is lower than what you paid in 2004.

September 15, 2008 5:06 PM

Niki   

So much for everyone saying that there is no way that the school board will cancel all day kindergarten.

September 15, 2008 5:21 PM

Bruce Warnimont   

I voted in favor of the motion to end the optional full-day 5-year-old kindergarten, as Dave said.  What's not being clearly articulated is that the motion was to force the sunset of that program and its "lottery system" selection process.  If there is a way to continue without a lottery, that's a different matter.

Kindergarten registration is only 4 months away, and parents need to know what their options are, now, rather than when it's too late to make other choices.  I felt it was important to tell our administrators to have a different system in front of the Board in November or December at the latest, for our deliberation and the solicitation of public sentiment.

I share Dave's sentiments on the budget, both here and at the Board table.

September 15, 2008 9:02 PM

Mike Schultz   

Allow me to enter the fray.  As a member of the Germantown Board of Education, I appreciate Dave explaining my views, those same views were clearly printed in today's newspaper.  I made the motion to discontinue all day Kindergarten.  I did so because I cannot any longer support a system that offers the program only to a portion of those families who want it.  I have spent three years trying to find a solution that would allow us to offer the programming to all students, and have been unsuccessful.  

The issue is plain, we do not have adequate space.  Looking to add space to other buildings has been impossible or problematic.  We looked at adding portable classrooms, the village said we couldn't.  We explored leasing space, the space didn't meet requirement for education and costs to modify the space were prohibitive.

I believe strongly that to be a viable community of choice, our schools must offer competitive programming.  All day kindergarten is an example of that.  

By the way, all of our open meetings are on local cable, and our minutes clearly state how we voted.  We make no attempt to run from our votes, and it doesn't take a great deal of effort to find out about the decisions we make.

September 15, 2008 9:54 PM

CJP - Germantown School Parent   

After reading this most recent set of comments regarding the upcoming referendum - I feel the need to provide support for the members of the School Board.  If community members have been following the School Boards attempts over the last 6 years (as long as I have been a school parent) they would know that this Board has long been trying to find a solution for the ever increasing school population.  They have explored multiple options - such as building on to existing schools, portable trailers, leasing additional space, etc. to provide a quality education at the elementary school level.  For various reasons, many of those options could not be made available.  They have not done it purely for all day kindergarten - they have done it for the students in all grades on an elementary level.  Yes - all day kindergarten has compounded the need, but the School Board has tried to remain on the cutting edge of providing a quality education at the elementary level.  The elementary level is the starting foundation for success at the middle and high school level and we, as a community, need to be concerned about the ability of our upcoming generation to compete in this highly competitive job market and global economies. I know the School Board has been trying and will continue to try and meet the needs of this School community.

I find it amusing that many people now think that putting this referendum back on the ballot is a ploy - the School Board members are responding to many constituents who have asked them to reconsider placing this referendum back on the November ballot.  For whatever reason, many people did not vote in April, and in my opinion, are now realizing what inaction means.  In my opinion, the Board is responding to their constituents.  This board is not the type that would "bully" voters into supporting all day kindergarten, this Board is responding to constituent concern regarding the referendum - now it's up to the people to make a stand - one way or the other.

In regards to the budget, once again, if you have been following the budget discussions so far - you should know that the State method of funding school districts has a major impact on our budget situation at this time.  You would also know that the Board has been actively working at making school administrators accountable for the budget line items.  These actions clearly indicate the School Boards attempt to balance the school budget much like you and I balance our household budgets.

I encourage others once again, rather than respond emotionally to really search out the facts - access the School District website (all the minutes are there and show exactly what has been discussed), continue to ask questions (such as some of these in this forum), but respect each other along the way and have a meaningful, courteous discussion, and seek out facts.  Become informed and then vote in November!

September 16, 2008 8:08 AM

GTT   

What Is the problem,

The 80/20 that was proposed years ago for Donges would not have solved what improvements will be needed to put a schoold there now so that conversation really has no bearing in this discussion.

September 16, 2008 12:08 PM

taxedtothemax   

So Bruce - if the referendum gets passed in November, you'll bring back the all day kindergarden.

So how is that not enough time for a parent to make a decision. What a crock! You reduce your credibility with such comments.

September 16, 2008 4:26 PM

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