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Kyle and her husband moved to Brookfield in 1986. She became active in local politics and started blogging in 2004. Her focus is primarily on local issues but often includes state and national topics, too. Kyle looks at things from the taxpayers’ perspective in a creative, yet down to earth way, addressing them from a practical point of view.

Does 4K deserve tax dollars?

By Kyle Prast
Saturday, Nov 10 2007, 05:39 PM

On November 27th,  Elmbrook's school board will decide the very important question of should we continue or discontinue 4K. We do not get to vote for or against it; our only opportunity to influence that decision is to contact the board members.

Whenever I am faced with an important decision, I ask myself a few questions: What are the expected benefits and consequences resulting from my decision, and can I afford it. We don't always have the luxury of knowing the results of trying something new, but if others have already made the change in question, I certainly like to evaluate the results of their decisions.  Fortunately, with  4K, there is longterm data available.

One basic question came to my mind regarding the 4K decision. If 4K is so important, so beneficial to a student's success in school, then why does our state only set the compulsory school age at 6 years old on Sept. 1? (That means students with a later birthday than Sept. 1 will start 1st grade at 7 years of age.)

The fact that children need not attend school until age 6 in Wisconsin made me wonder how our school age requirement compared to other states.

I found that answer and more in this article, Early Education Shows No Benefit - Compelling children to attend school at an earlier age does not yield expected results , by HSLDA, Home School Legal Defense Association. It is a treasure trove of information on the subject of early education.

The article stated in the section labeled: State-by-State Comparison:

A review of compulsory attendance laws across the nation shows that requiring young children to attend school may be largely unnecessary. Only eight states and the District of Columbia require attendance of 5-year-olds, and six of those nine allow exemptions for parents to withhold their children from school until age 6. The other 41 states allow parents to wait until their children are 6, 7, or even 8 years old before beginning formal education.24

That information makes one wonder about the long term success of earlier and later starts in school. I read on in that section to find the National Assessment of Education Progress (NAEP) test results from schoolchildren in all 50 states:

Scores of children from states that have low compulsory attendance ages (5-6) did not score any higher than children from the other states, and in some subjects their average was actually lower.26

There was a link to All-Day Kindergarten Failing as Education Reform, which detailed information published by the Goldwater Institute:

All-day kindergarten fails to improve Stanford 9 reading, math, language arts scores


PHOENIX—A report published today by the Goldwater Institute examines Stanford 9 test scores and finds Arizona kindergarten programs initially improve learning but have no measurable impact on reading, math, or language arts test scores by fifth grade.

This test score information affirmed everything I had heard about the merits of earlier and earlier education, that it may initially seem to give kids a head start, but that head start does not translate into long term improvement. In fact, as a homeschooler, we were warned that too early of an introduction to school is counter productive. It actually causes burn out in the upper elementary grades through high school.

Earlier education does not benefit the underprivileged either. Head Start, the government early intervention program for at risk children, is often touted as the poster child for earlier education success. I mistakenly bought into this idea last year when I blogged, “You may be able to make the argument that early education is beneficial for inner city children, whose crack addicted mother may be passed out on the couch.” But now I see I was mistaken:

The most important goal of any education program is that children be educated. Studies of Head Start, however, demonstrate that early education produces no apparent academic benefits. In its early years, extensive studies were undertaken to prove Head Start worked. But the opposite turned out to be true. In 1969, the Westinghouse Learning Corporation found no difference in the behavior and educational achievement between Head Start and other underclass children.

Sixteen years later, the CRS Synthesis Project study, commissioned by HHS, came to the same conclusion. Although children showed “immediate gains,” by the second grade “there are no educationally meaningful differences.”23

As I mentioned last year, I attended 4 year old kindergarten in the Shorewood school system. If 4K is so beneficial, shouldn’t Shorewood’s ACT scores be consistently higher than our school district’s that didn’t offer 4K? The data shows that this year was the first in the past few years that Shorewood edged out Elmbrook’s ACT scores by 1.23 points.  Of the top 10 schools in Wisconsin (Elmbrook consistently is in the top 10), at least 7 had no 4K program at the time those students tested started school. Incidentally, over 250 school districts have 4K so there should have been a better showing in the top 10 if it is so helpful.

All of this information presents quite a compelling reason to NOT start the education process so early. So when I saw last week's Brookfieldnow featuring those cute pictures of very young children enjoying 3K and 4K in the private school setting, it made me bristle. The article was misleadingly titled, "Learning early, 3-year-old kindergarten classes bring success to two schools".   

I ask you to look at the data, not the cute pictures in the Brookfieldnow article. What criteria are we using to measure success?

No one is arguing that young children do not enjoy an outing or activity from time to time. Our culture abounds with such opportunities. I still remember the Bible stories and making fun craft projects in Sunday School. My son used to enjoy his once a week, 2 hour visit at Elmbrook Church’s Moms and More (I did too!). Children love birthday parties, toddler gym classes, Park and Rec. programs, Library programs, trips to the zoo, and just doing things with mom! But all of these activities are not the responsibility of Public Education. Enjoyable? Yes.  Public Education? No.

The data just does not support starting school at age 4, and our state does not mandate it. The Brookfieldnow article shows that if these types of programs are wanted, there are plenty of opportunities for parents to avail themselves of them in the private sector.

The facts illustrate 4K is actually detrimental to a child's long term success in school. The cost of 4K then goes beyond just the financial investment in the program; it costs our children's future success in school. 

Please read through the information and contact the board--especially Patrick Murphy, by phone, in person, or letter and Glen Allgaier.

 

 

FYI: The footnote numbers at the end of the quotes correspond to the Early Education Shows No Benefit article. Incidentally, that article affirms that internationally, the trends are similar:

The country of Finland was a standout in both of these international assessments [PISA, the Program for International Student Assessment tests], ranking near or at the top in all tested subjects. These impressive results were achieved despite the fact that school attendance in Finland is not compulsory until age 7, later than almost any other European country.17

Some of the lower scoring countries in PISA were Sweden and Greece, which both emphasize early education. Sweden has some of the most comprehensive childcare in Europe, with the vast majority of children ages 1-12 having a place in a publicly funded child-care center. Even with this emphasis, however, Sweden ranked among the average countries in the PISA test, and Greece was among the five worst nations in all three subject areas.19

Last year I blogged:

Research shows that an earlier start in school does not translate to an increase in academic proficiency. Raymond and Dorothy Moore have done many studies that show an earlier start in school does not make for a better education or better student. In their book, Better Late Than Early, the Moores found When children are ready to learn, around the ages of 8-10, they quickly catch up to those who started earlier. So, why start so early?

 

 

 

Comments

Santa's Elf   

Kyle, in all candor I must note that:

First, if early education is not beneficial for inner city children whose crack addicted mother may be passed out on the couch, how could it be so for Elmbrook children whose mothers are on the prowl for any place to dump the kid long enough to do an uninterrupted latte or two with the girls each day?

Secondly, while your suggestion is an excellent one, having recently watched a few district board meetings, I am lead to the inescapable conclusion that it may be difficult to make contact with Pat Murphy via any means of communication.

If you're still with me, I'd like to suggest that 4-K really has nothing remotely to do with the education of our youth. Rather it has to do with that inescapable void between potty training and kindergarten which cannot be filled by soccer, field hockey, Pop Warner baseball, etc.

Parochial schools currently fill this void as a means of 'evangelism': 'Sure we'll take the kid. And if you become members here at  St. Joel Osteen megachurch, we'll knock a few bucks off the tab to boot.'

But public schools have no 'evangelism' component to them!

To hear everyone's favorite district super talk, Elmbrook schools are locked in head to head battle with every other educational venue. If they win, property values sky rocket and everyone gets even filthier rich. If they lose, it will mark the end of public education in the burbs, as well as of the burbs themselves.

But beyond supporting a quality K12 education to each and every urchin, what's the taxpayer's mandate to it's public schools?

We certainly don't have to worry about competition. It's highly unlikely that anyone else will enter the Elmbrook market and establish 'competitive' public education. And if people choose a private education for their kids, well that's good news - we get their tax money without having to spend our resources.

What's more, there is a definite limit to the amount of education we ought to provide for our kids out of public tax money.

For at the very same time we are digging deep to make junior a genius, dad's at work making management decisions to either export jobs to foreign markets, or import foreign workers to fill once quality jobs here at home at half the price!

Why - when virtually no one else is doing so - should Elmbrook taxpayers figure their way out of that conundrum all by themselves?

 

Kyle's reply:

Santa, I think you need your own blog! As for contacting Pat Murphy, there is always the U.S. Mail!

November 10, 2007 7:51 PM

ShawnMatson   

I knew your answer before I read the article but this is excellently written, and you did a lot of research.  I am reminded once again why I think you are a great asset to our community. :)

 

Kyle's reply: Thank you for your kind words. By the way, I agree with you 100% about why we comment on our community--it is because we like it here and wish to preserve this great place to live. 

November 10, 2007 10:53 PM

wistrom   

Kyle, your points are valid.  Unfortunately, the district's motivation for adopting a publicly-funded 4K program in this community has very little (if anything) to do with education.  Instead, it is being proposed because they are HOPING it MIGHT be a source of revenue that can be used to off-set budgetary concerns.  Once again, the administration has used their favorite tool of intimidation - fear - to convince parents that this program is actually a NEED instead of merely a tax scheme.  Parents have been duped into believing the suggestion that area preschools (or they, themselves) can not provide quality social and educational experiences for their little one, that current programming will face the chopping block if our 4 year-olds can't be "counted," and that new families will be more impressed by a 4K program than the other 13 years of education provided by the Elmbrook Schools.

The fatal flaw is that 4K is in no way a reliable solution - to anything.  It simply does not make sense to adopt a program that stems from no defined need and provides no definite benefits.

November 11, 2007 10:15 AM

lisamcl   

Great points, Kyle.

It is funny that you mention that K3 article. I know someone who pulled her child out of St. Dominic's K3 and there are some other people that have done the same. They thought it was too structured and not enough fun or play for 3-year-olds. A lot of sitting at attention and listening quietly...

I noticed there were no parents interviewed in that article. I can guess why!

I figured that article was written to try to persuade people to support K4. But if it told the truth, it is an example that kids so young don't need to be in school but with a parent or caretaker who sets up playdates, goes to museums, the zoo, etc.

Let kids be kids! And if parents don't want to let them be kids, let THEM pay for preschool!

 

Kyle's reply: AMEN! 

November 11, 2007 5:12 PM

intewedm   

Kyle, thanks for the valuable information.  Unfortunately, I think Wistrom has hit the nail on the head on all counts.  I'm certain that another year at home with mom is far more valuable that 4-K would ever be...at least in our community.  If mom elects to work outside of the home, and thus deprive her child of being at home with her, it needs to be her financial responsibility.  I'll be amazed if the board does the right thing and discontinues this program which they obviously want regardless of public opinion.

By the way, I'm trying to be constructive at the suggestion of a couple of other posters.  I must say that I too find sarcasm and negativity like Elf's to be a turn-off, so I will try to avoid it in the future.

 

Kyle's reply: We are in agreement on all counts:

1. On too much negativity and sarcasm in comments. Under the old blogging format, I would just edit out the sections I thought did not really offer helpful information. However, under this new comment format, I am told that Brookfieldnow could be sued if I edit comments. I find this rather odd since the paper used to edit letters to the editor all the time.

2. As for the real reason for 4K (extra revenue), see my Big News! posting:

In flipping through the LINK publication, I noted a 4-K comment toward the bottom of page 2 , "A key financial factor is the extent to which the district needs the added resident enrollment yielded by 4K to increase revenue cap capacity to help fund other programs and services as enrollment and subsequent funding for these programs and services is projected to decline."

Phew! That is a mouthful! I translate that: 4K really isn't necessary education wise, but we need their little bodies in the classroom so we can collect the state money-per-student, to fund our other school programs. (They use the same logic for justifying increasing non-resident student enrollments.)

Don't forget, the school district gets to collect that extra money, but YOU the TAXPAYER must supply it! Yes, they will get more money coming in and their budget will increase. "It would, however, cost the taxpayers more money, because it would be funded primarily from increased property taxes." How is that helping us?
 
I just think we need to be perfectly clear on if a school board member votes for 4K what their real motivation is. I don't think It's for the kids. 

 

November 11, 2007 5:28 PM

My Two Cents   

Wow! Thanks for all the research, Kyle.  All the comments also help to clarify the issue.  It's for the money, not for the kids.  Too bad that it's all OUR money. I sure hope the school board checks this blog and comments and votes against the 4K program.

November 12, 2007 1:28 PM

mikeyd   

Hi Kyle,

First, I would agree with you that the 4K program doesn't necessarily help long term child intelligence, though there is no finding that says definitively that it hurts as you seem to bend your comments at the end.  As a side, my children are not 'urchins' as you call them derogatorily, and most nearby competing districts DO have thriving 4K programs, but you comment as if the opposite is true.

I would like to throw in another issue revolving around the 4k that your opinion piece did not mention at all, though I am pretty certain my comment will be deleted either way.  An impressive school system including a 4K program will help keep Brookfield housing market strong and maybe even maintain the appreciation of the area.  My family moved to Brookfield not too long ago, with the idea that this area was growing and more young families were moving to the area (many of my friends living in surrounding areas still consider it a retirement community though).  But with other family in the area, and after spending some time here, We chose to purchase a house in Brookfield after comparing it to Menomonee Falls and Tosa, our decision based greatly on what we saw with the new grade schools and the decent rating of the school system over a long time period. It seems the opinion that the majority in the area value a strong school system is different than our impression.

I am telling you this just because there are families choosing among nearby districts based largely on impressions of the school system and services available to children.

If we were making the same choice now, after seeing how steadfast many seem to be against any type of school spending, we might have put Brookfield behind the Falls or Tosa.

Without a 4K program(which both the Falls and Tosa have) and with high school facilities that are becoming outdated, Elmbrook is being outpaced and will sink in the overall ratings. This will affect the housing market, maybe only causing a few percent sink in the property value appreciation, but I believe this is one issue that should be considered in the overall valuation of the 4K program.

 

Kyle's reply:

Mikyd, while I do not mind being held accountable for what I write, I really do not like to be blamed for someone else's comment!

You accused me of referring to your children as "urchins", when you made the comment, "my children are not 'urchins' as you call them derogatorily". But that was written by Santa's Elf as a comment, NOT ME! (That is one of the reasons I really do not like this whole new comment system. I much rather hear from you privately and then quote worthy ideas as a post script.)

AS for your comment about "most nearby competing districts DO have thriving 4K programs", I can only give you the quick parental answer, "Just because all of the other school districts jump in the lake, doesn't mean you have to jump in the lake too!"

Seriously, I am working on a posting that will address that issue, but I just have not had the time to complete it. (This is a "hobby" not my job.)

I do try to publish all comments. There have been very few that I have not because I have deemed something in them as offensive. There is one comment from southoftheborder about 4K that I am going to devote an entire blog to, and so have not published it yet.

 

November 12, 2007 6:53 PM

intewedm   

In accord with my new "make nice persona" I can only say that MickeyD is way off base with most of his comments and is obviously someone who  ignores the facts and wants taxpayers to pay for his kids "bells and whistles".

November 12, 2007 8:26 PM

wistrom   

MickeyD -

You have been suckered in by the fear mongering rhetoric of the SDOE.  Plug your ears and think logically.  

A school system is not defined by one grade-level.  The property values of an entire community are also not dictated by one grade-level.  

Over the years there have been many programs that have come and gone - programs which have had a much greater impact on our children's overall education than 4-year old preschool does - and yet families continue to choose to live here.  You did.

Do not support a program that has no defined need and no definite benefit just because "everybody else is doing it."

November 13, 2007 10:38 AM

lisamcl   

Mikyd,

Since living in Brookfield, I have been amazed at how many families we have met that moved here from Wauwatosa. There are a lot of "starter homes" in Tosa, so many people buy their first home there and eventually move to Brookfield. Tosa offers free K4, yet many young families leave Tosa to move to a bigger home or a house with a bigger yard in Brookfield. That makes me think that a K4 program doesn't affect our property values or ability to sell a house - if people have no problem leaving a school district with free preschool to go to one where preschool isn't free.

November 13, 2007 11:21 AM

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